the only time i ever heard it mentioned was -- he had one of his favorite employees he had a bet on the atlanta crackers baseball game every day and sometimes my dad would take me to those games in the 50's and we would have to separate at ponce de leon ball park in orlando because peter had to go sit in the colored section. that's the only time i ever -- my dad would say i don't like this. but he wouldn't invite comment because i was like it was dangerous. there was nothing he could do about it. it was kind of ominous clouds but you know, you couldn't do anything about the weather. so i grew up in that atmosphere, which was quite common in the south. and not until birmingham really did it break through and occur to me that really could be something done about it on the strength of the courage of these people, many of whom -- you know, in birmingham they were girls and little kids. the or eight, nine, 10-years-old marching to jail and having the fire hoses turned on them. and that made a very powerful impression on me. but by the time i got caught up and interested in the, dr. king was